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At 7:24 PM -0600 12/22/03, Len Conrad wrote:
Re: Panther, shared internet, and QDNS
From: Michael Wise
Date: Monday, December 22, 2003
Time: 6:08:36 pm
>>And dnsreport is not saying anything is broken or needs to be fixed.
>
>aw, come on, the paragraph is labeled "WARNING" For you, is
>something postive going to follow?
Not necessarily...but something I will be sure to read, understand,
comprehend, and evaluate weight to before dismissing.
>For DNS-ignorant people struggling to get their DNS in good shape,
>this most certainly looks like a negative that needs fixing. He then
>spews on with negative phrases (actually pure FUD)
DNS-ignorant people have no business managing dns in the first place.
dnsreport does not pretend to be "save all, end all analysis system
for ones DNS" you portray it as trying to be and then attacking it on
that fabricated description.
>
>"not providing glue"
>
>"but not supplying"
>
>"can cause slightly slower connections"
>
>"may cause some incompatibilities"
All reasonable (albeit not particularly attention-mandating)
statements. Again, you seem to be measuring dnsreport.com as if it
was targeted towards prospective dns admins....when dns admin itself
is decisively not targeted at the inexperienced. Therefor, it stands
to reason that tools like dnsreport.com is not targeted at the the
clueless...but rather at people more experienced with dns like you
and I (and all the menandmice.com people in spades). The nature of
the web means anybody has access to it, and mail lists have
word-of-mouth spread the usage to the unqualified to admin...but that
in no way invalidates the free service itself.
>and then an outright error: "this behavior is allowed by the RFCs."
>So if it's RFC compatible, why all the WARN and hair-splitting,
>inconsequential negativity? No glue is simply how host registration
>in parent nameservers works.
So you have a beef with the warning...that does not make the warning
an "outright" error or even an error at all...merely something to be
considered.
>
>Totally misleading: "you can speed up the connections slightly".
>This is strictly true, but immeasurable for ALL intents and purposes
>in practice.
So being "strictly true" by your own admission, but immeasurable
makes it both a) misleading and b) worthy of your criticism and
condemnation??
>This a recommendation to change your NSs TLDs (and therefore all
>domain delegations using those NSs, which is hairy task for anybody)
>for absolutely no good reason and to no effect.
Can you please quote (with verifiable links) where any such
recommendation is made?
>
>The DNSReport "no glue" BS has appeared up on this list before, and
>has appeared in all the DNS-relevant mailing lists I follow. So it
>clearly wastes a lot of people's time, the people whom the DNSReport
>are trying to help.
Obviously, you and I are not on all the same lists. One would think
that no matter the list, the occurrence of a warning/caution and
would transfer into something worth investigating...and not something
set in stone. If people on the lists you speak of are smart enough to
evaluate all advice...then they know that nobody (including them) is
perfect and to double-check everything.suggested. dnsreport has
categorically not been a waste of my time and many others like me.
>
>The "no glue" comment is totally counterproductive, misleading.
>DNSReport would be much better not mentioning it all.
I can't say I disagree with you that it can be interpreted in a
confusing way to the inexperienced, but that doesn't make it "wrong
at worst and "misleading , confusing logorrhea (to the experienced:
at best"
--Mike
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