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Geez Michael,
Re: Panther, shared internet, and QDNS
From: billc_lists@greenbuilder.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2003
Time: 11:20:20 pm
Though I don't consider myself either an expert DNS admin nor one of
the DNS-ignorant, I would consider something labeled "WARNING" as
likely something that would merit fixing. The warning itself makes
it sound like there's a real problem here, and I suspect that a fair
number of people who use the site wouldn't know any better than to
waste a fair bit of time going through the motions to change all
their NSs to the corresponding TLD, all for a nanosecond or two of
speed increase.
Seems to me that when you balance the net gain in speed against the
time spent to correct this "problem", you end up losing.
I would say that this one does NOT merit investigation by the vast
majority of DNS admins, but that DNSReport makes it sound like it
does. That would qualify as "misleading" in my book.
At 6:07 PM -0800 12/22/03, Michael Wise wrote:
>At 7:24 PM -0600 12/22/03, Len Conrad wrote:
>
>>>And dnsreport is not saying anything is broken or needs to be fixed.
>>
>>aw, come on, the paragraph is labeled "WARNING" For you, is
>>something postive going to follow?
>
>
>Not necessarily...but something I will be sure to read, understand,
>comprehend, and evaluate weight to before dismissing.
>
>>For DNS-ignorant people struggling to get their DNS in good shape,
>>this most certainly looks like a negative that needs fixing. He
>>then spews on with negative phrases (actually pure FUD)
>
>
>DNS-ignorant people have no business managing dns in the first
>place. dnsreport does not pretend to be "save all, end all analysis
>system for ones DNS" you portray it as trying to be and then
>attacking it on that fabricated description.
>
>>
>>"not providing glue"
>>
>>"but not supplying"
>>
>>"can cause slightly slower connections"
>>
>>"may cause some incompatibilities"
>
>
>All reasonable (albeit not particularly attention-mandating)
>statements. Again, you seem to be measuring dnsreport.com as if it
>was targeted towards prospective dns admins....when dns admin itself
>is decisively not targeted at the inexperienced. Therefor, it stands
>to reason that tools like dnsreport.com is not targeted at the the
>clueless...but rather at people more experienced with dns like you
>and I (and all the menandmice.com people in spades). The nature of
>the web means anybody has access to it, and mail lists have
>word-of-mouth spread the usage to the unqualified to admin...but
>that in no way invalidates the free service itself.
>
>
>>and then an outright error: "this behavior is allowed by the
>>RFCs." So if it's RFC compatible, why all the WARN and
>>hair-splitting, inconsequential negativity? No glue is simply how
>>host registration in parent nameservers works.
>
>
>So you have a beef with the warning...that does not make the warning
>an "outright" error or even an error at all...merely something to be
>considered.
>
>>
>>Totally misleading: "you can speed up the connections slightly".
>>This is strictly true, but immeasurable for ALL intents and
>>purposes in practice.
>
>
>So being "strictly true" by your own admission, but immeasurable
>makes it both a) misleading and b) worthy of your criticism and
>condemnation??
>
>>This a recommendation to change your NSs TLDs (and therefore all
>>domain delegations using those NSs, which is hairy task for
>>anybody) for absolutely no good reason and to no effect.
>
>
>Can you please quote (with verifiable links) where any such
>recommendation is made?
>
>>
>>The DNSReport "no glue" BS has appeared up on this list before, and
>>has appeared in all the DNS-relevant mailing lists I follow. So it
>>clearly wastes a lot of people's time, the people whom the
>>DNSReport are trying to help.
>
>
>Obviously, you and I are not on all the same lists. One would think
>that no matter the list, the occurrence of a warning/caution and
>would transfer into something worth investigating...and not
>something set in stone. If people on the lists you speak of are
>smart enough to evaluate all advice...then they know that nobody
>(including them) is perfect and to double-check
>everything.suggested. dnsreport has categorically not been a waste
>of my time and many others like me.
>
>>
>>The "no glue" comment is totally counterproductive, misleading.
>>DNSReport would be much better not mentioning it all.
>
>
>I can't say I disagree with you that it can be interpreted in a
>confusing way to the inexperienced, but that doesn't make it "wrong
>at worst and "misleading , confusing logorrhea (to the experienced:
>at best"
>
>
>--Mike
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