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At 1:36 PM -0600 12/23/03, Len Conrad wrote:

>>That's odd. Your very own product (DNS Expert 1.6) had this to say
>>in its analysis report of goya.com.au:
>>
>>>Errors
>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>o Unable to resolve the name "mail.goya.com.au." because glue data
>>> for the domain "goya.com.au." is missing
>
>ok, here's where we lose 95% of the lurkers!! :))
>
>The problem is that while the com.au NSs don't have any glue for
>.net domains (normal), they erroneously don't have any glue at for
>goya.com.au, which is an error by the com.au, NOT a fault in DNS
>operation.

>...
>The registrant for goya.com.au needs to take this error up with his
>registrar, who should take it up with com.au registry.
>
>However, this admin error (leaving out a glue record) by the com.au
>NSs has nothing to do with "missing glue" when parent NSs are setup
>correctly.

So, does that mean you retract your earlier slam at dnsreport for the
"missing glue" thing specifically with goya.com.au?

>
>>> The delegation data for "goya.com.au." indicates that the host
>>> "mail.goya.com.au." contains authoritative data for the zone, but
>>> there is not enough data available to locate "mail.goya.com.au.".
>
>DNSExpert is correct in noting the error in the setup of the com.au
>server for the goya.com.au domain.

dnsreport was also correct....and it didn't cost $500....it cost 0$

>
>>Now what were you saying about misleading missing glue alerts?
>
>Nothing has changed in my evaluation of the misleading "missing
>glue" BS at DNSReports.
>
>>Then you are also saying that your own $495 product is
>>inaccurate....yes? DNS Expert also had this _error_:
>
>DNS Expert failed to resolve the glue/A record for mail.goya.com.au
>at the all of the .com.au parent NSs because the A record does not
>exist in .com.au NSs, and it should.

Indeed. However, most admins would quickly figure that out after
seeing the dnsreport warning flag. dnsreport would have been a help,
in this case (as was DNS Expert).

>btw, I have never seen DNS Expert complain about cannot resolve glue
>records, and I've been using DNS Expert for years on l000's of
>domains. An NS not having glue THAT SHOULD BE PRESENT is extremely
>rare, ime.

Now that Macs are becoming more and more of a 2nd class citizen with
Men and Mice (first platform to get products dropped and last
platform to get new products [4.6, for example]). I can't say, as I
don't use it much anymore since there's no OS X version (I don't even
install Classic on my boxes) and I don't fire up Windows often.

>
>>My my...better put those rocks down.
>
>my, my, you better get up a LOT earlier in the morning if you want
>to beat me on DNS issues. :))

The fact that you make such a statement is as telling as it is
pathetic. I'm sorry you feel that this is some sort of contest. I
doubt anybody on this list really feels they can beat any miceandmen
poster at DNS issues and has any desire to even try.

This is specifically about your continued unsupported attacks on a
valuable free service and your insinuation that people who use that
service are either misled or newbies. You don't need to denigrate the
tools which have served your paying customers well for us to realize
that no such tool is as good as expert analysis by a schooled human
such as yourself. We know that. We also know you know your
stuff...but unless you're offering your zone analysis skills pro bono
to all, we'll take what we can get. And a combo of our dns experience
(inferior to yours, I'm, sure), our own CLI tools, and tools like
dnsreport...we are much better off than w/o such a free service.

>nope, my complaints about "missing glue" BS from DNSReports are not
>invalidated by an error in the com.au server. But I don't expect
>you, or anybody else here, to appreciate the differences without
>this explanation:
>
>1. My complaint is: DNSReport WARNs about ALL correctly missing
>"missing glue" at any NS that should not, and will never have such
>glue, and is "missing" such glue for perfectly valid reasons.

And the harm that comes from this is....?

>
>2. DNSExpert has detected an ERROR by the .com.au NSs because they
>are missing .com.au glue THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE.

And dnsreport would lead one down the path to detecting that error as well.

>So, while you think you "got" me and you "got" DNS Expert screwing
>up, both of us have identified a serious error, not warning, in the
>com.au. NSs.

Again with the contest. I have not accused DNS Expert of screwing up.
I have pointed out that it reported the same sort of errors you
faulted dnsreport for reporting with the zone in question
(goya.au.com).

>And my complaint about the "missing glue" BS from DNSReport remains valid.

A valid opinion yes. I for one, do not mind seeing such warnings and
evaluating them individually on their merits. In the case of the zone
we are talking about, the information provided by dnsreport was
useful and valid.

--Mike

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