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Re: BIND 9.2.4From: Jody McAlister Date: Thursday, November 4, 2004
Time: 8:01:29 pmChris, I would like a copy of that please.
jodymac@iscweb.com
On Thursday, November 4, 2004, at 07:48 PM, Men & Mice Support wrote:
> At 8:18 PM -0600 11/4/04, Jerry Pasker wrote:
>> First, a little background:
>>
>> I was migrating from QDNS 3.5.3 under Classic to QDNS+BIND (version
>> of the day) under OS X. Running an ISP, I used QDNS Pro for zone
>> serving (just over a hundred zones), and as a resolving DNS server
>> for my dial/broadband customers. (thousands) Having DNS problems for
>> me would not only bring my business to a halt, but would cause
>> irreparable damage to my reputation as a reliable provider. It's not
>> something I care to gamble with.
>>
>> Not trusting BIND any further than I could throw it, (years of
>> experience with my Colo clients having their x86 Linux boxes Ow3d
>> from BIND exploits) and being totally spoiled by a DNS server who's
>> install was "drag over folder containing application & zone data
>> folder, and optionally, move a preference file with it's serial
>> number if moving to a new machine" I was hesitant to ever
>> upgrade/change since a problem with DNS grinds my entire ISP to a
>> halt. After years of putting up with QDNS 3.5.3's spotty stability,
>> (a PATHETIC 99.956% up time) I decided the pain of change was less
>> than the pain of status quo and decided to go down the path of BIND.
>>
>> I set up a test server, and let it run for a few days, serving only a
>> vanity domain, and resolving only for my laptop as it's sole client.
>> It was painfully slow doing lookups, but after the initially lookup
>> would fail, or maybe succeed with a time of a few thousand
>> milliseconds, re querying it would be a success, and it would be
>> rather quick. (3-50ms) Digging, nslookup, or any type of host
>> resolving would yeild the same results.
>>
>> Within a day of figuring this out, the posts started hitting the
>> mailing list about all the unixy foo-foo that can be done to "fix"
>> these problems. Lots of talk of "-4 options" (that would brake BIND)
>> and then of compiling (beta) versions of BIND that used this
>> "undocumented flag" These weren't fixes that inspired any sort of
>> confidence, what so ever. I'm a Mac guy because I want tools that
>> solve problems, not create them. That's why I based my ISP on on
>> Macs when I started it 8 years ago. If I wanted to compile things, I
>> would have chosen Linux years ago.
>>
>> Anyway....
>>
>> I decided to migrate another test machine a few days ago, and I
>> discovered a file in the /pub/quickdns directory on
>> ftp.menandmice.com, called named.macosx.noipv6.gz.
>
> That was built for a customer by one of our staff.
>
>> The info on the FTP server shows it dated Friday October 29th, 2004.
>> I gunzipped it, to find a single file, named. With all the talk of
>> compiling (I'm a Mac guy, remember? I *DON'T* compile my software)
>> I killed named, replaced my named (version 9.2.3) with this file, did
>> a sudo chmod 755, rebooted and did a named -v and it returned BIND
>> 9.2.4.
>
> It's 9.2.4 for Mac OS X with IPv6 support disabled. The list member
> for whom it was compiled reported spotty results.
>
>> My lookups are now as fast as I'd expect. Everything worked so well,
>> in fact, that I migrated all my DNS servers last night. It all
>> tested out perfectly. I haven't heard a single complaint from my
>> customer support department. Doing some research, I couldn't find
>> any real information about BIND 9.2.4, including security holes (no
>> news is good news, right?). If I shouldn't be using that file, I
>> would appreciate a reply.
>>
>> This brings up a few questions:
>> 1) Where did that file come from? I'm sure it was put there for a
>> reason, so I used it.
>
> It was put there for testing by a customer who requested it. That
> customer has since been given another version, 9.3.0, with the vanilla
> compile options. He's now using it with the -4 option.
>
>> 2) If it appeared there on October 29th, it would appear that Men
>> and Mice has an official solution to this OS X BIND problem.
>> 2a) Why wasn't this mentioned to the list as something to try?
>
> See above.
>
>> 3) If it's just as simple as replacing named with a new named file
>> downloaded from menandmice's ftp server, why is there so much talk of
>> compiling BIND 9.3.0?
>
> Because we're not confident that this will solve the problem either.
> We're putting out this information for the benefit of those users who
> want to try it.
>
> If anyone else wants the 9.3.0 version compiled for Mac OS X 10.3,
> contact me off-list. I'm also happy to compile for you with IPv6
> support disabled, so that (in theory) the -4 option should not be
> necessary.
>
>> 4) If it really is just that simple, why isn't there a simple disk
>> image with an installer that goes and replaces named with the new
>> named?
>
> We'll consider doing that when we have a verified solution. Of course,
> Apple may fix the network support in the kernel first, rendering an
> update to the DNS service unnecessary.
>
> Chris Buxton
> Men & Mice - Making DNS Easy
> Customer Service and Sales Engineer
>
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Messages In This Thread:- BIND 9.2.4 by Jerry Pasker on Nov 4, 2004 at 6:23:22 pm
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